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it was the night of October 1st 1948

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lieutenant George F Gorman was a member

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of the North Dakota Air National Guard

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and upon returning to Hector Airport

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from a cross-country flight with his

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squadron he decided to keep his f51

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Mustang in the air to log some flight

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hours as he prepared to land the air

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traffic control tower at Hector Airport

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advised him that there was another

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aircraft below him specifically a Piper

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Cub lieutenant Gorman acknowledged and

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saw the plane about 500 feet below him

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soon after he saw something else

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resembling the tail light of another

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aircraft quickly passing by him to his

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right alerting the control tower to the

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second aircraft the tower radioed back

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saying there is no others in the

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vicinity except for the Piper Cub

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wanting to investigate further

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lieutenant Gorman radio the tower to let

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them know of his intentions and he

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pursued the object upon approaching

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within a thousand yards of the object

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lieutenant Gorman estimated that the

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lighted object was small about six to

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eight inches in diameter but although

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small what happened next is best

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described by lieutenant Gorman's own

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words quote it was about six to eight

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inches in diameter clear white and

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completely round without fuss at the

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edges it was blinking on and off as I

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approached however the light suddenly

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became steady and pulled into a sharp

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left bank I thought it was making a pass

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at the tower I dived after it and

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brought my manifold pressure up to sixty

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inches but I couldn't catch up with this

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thing it started gaining altitude and

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again made a left bank I put my plane

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into a sharp turn and tried to cut the

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light off and its turn suddenly it made

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a sharp right turn and had it straight

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at me just when I thought we were going

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to collide I guess I got scared I went

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into a dive and the light passed over my

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canopy

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at about 500 feet end quote immediately

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following this near miss lieutenant

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Gorman said he made a sharp turn to

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continue his pursuit at which point the

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object was again heading straight for

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him on another collision course just

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when it appeared that they would collide

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again lieutenant Gorman said the object

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shot straight into a steep climb and

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disappeared wanting to continue his

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pursuit lieutenant Gorman pulled his

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Mustang into a climb but it stalled and

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so he returned to the airport

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he was so disturbed and shaken by what

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had just happened that despite being a

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veteran pilot and flight instructor

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during World War two he had difficulty

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landing his airplane upon reporting the

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incident many believed that what

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lieutenant Gorman witnessed was either a

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light balloon or even an optical

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illusion but these explanations would be

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challenged by at least three core

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operators which included the chief of

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the air traffic control tower at Hector

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Airport as well as two men in the Piper

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Cub they all saw most of this so-called

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dogfight through their binoculars for 27

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hair-raising minutes lieutenant Gorman

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pursued the light through a series of

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intricate maneuvers and with that the

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case of lieutenant Gorman came to a

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screeching halt

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on July 24th 1948 pilots Clarence s

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childs and John B witted took off from

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Houston Texas in an Eastern Airlines

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dc-3 around 8:00 p.m. with 20 passengers

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on board both pilots had a wealth of

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flying experience from wartime military

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flying duty to commercial flight

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experience for Eastern Airlines and

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around 2:45 a.m. roughly 20 miles

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outside of Montgomery Alabama and at an

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altitude of about 5,000 feet both pilots

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witnessed an object ahead of them that

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they first believed was a jet that was

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heading toward them rapidly at about the

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same altitude and passed by their

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starboard wing at a distance of at least

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those

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feet although the pilots gave differing

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distances in which the object passed

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both agreed that whatever it was it was

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definitely some sort of aircraft they

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described it as cylindrical having no

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appendage or wings and featured two rows

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of brightly lit windows or some other

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kind of portals that one pilot described

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as looking like burning magnesium the

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pilots also described the supposed nose

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of the aircraft which was pointed and

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along the underside of the craft it

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emitted some sort of bluish glow child's

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turned the dc-3 sharply to the left

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before the craft passed them and as it

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did their plane allegedly experienced a

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bit of turbulence as though the craft

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produced some sort of wake as child's

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was turning the plane with it was the

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only one still able to observe the craft

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as it passed on the right side he looked

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behind them in time to see the

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mysterious craft make a sharper scent

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and then disappear out of sight this

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encounter drew considerable attention

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both public and military and sparked

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much debate about the validity of their

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claims the morning after the incident

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childs and witted reported their

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observations to local reporters as well

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as the United States Air Force while the

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news reported the pilots encounter in

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local newspapers the Air Force prepared

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an estimate of the situation which

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despite being classified as top secret

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allegedly reported the UFO in the

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child's witted case as being

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interplanetary nonetheless the very fact

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that this encounter was taken so

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seriously by military intelligence leads

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one to believe that this case was in

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fact a very significant one that

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received considerable attention from the

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Air Force perhaps the most dramatic UFO

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event of 1948 was that of Captain Thomas

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Mantell

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an experienced pilot with a flight

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history that consisted of 2167 hours in

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the air and numerous honors for his part

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in the Battle of Normandy during

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world war 2 on January 7th Godman field

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at Fort Knox Kentucky received a report

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from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an

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unusual aerial object near Maysville

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Kentucky at about 1:45 p.m.

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sergeant Quintin Blackwell saw an object

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from his position in the control tower

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at Fort Knox the other witnesses in the

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tower also reported a white object in

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the distance base commander Colonel Guy

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Hicks reported an object as he described

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as very white and about 1/4 the size of

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the full moon through binoculars it

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appeared to have a red border at the

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bottom it remains stationary seemingly

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for one and a half hours observers at

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Clinton County Army Airfield in Ohio

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described the object as having the

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appearance of a flaming red cone

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trailing a gaseous green mist and

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observed the object for about 35 minutes

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for p-51 Mustangs of C flight the 165th

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Guard were already in the air one pilot

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by Mantell they were asked to

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investigate this object Blackwell was in

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constant radio communication with the

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pilots throughout the entire event one

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pilots Mustang was low on fuel and he

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quickly abandoned his efforts the other

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two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep

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pursuit of the object they later

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reported what they saw but described it

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as so small and indistinct that they

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could not identify it meant L ignored

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suggestions that the pilot should level

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their altitude and tried to get a more

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clear observation of the object only

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what a man tells companions lieutenant

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Albert Clements had an oxygen mask and

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his oxygen was in low supply Clemens and

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lieutenant Hammond called off their

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pursuit at 22,500 feet meant L continued

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to climb however as he neared the object

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he reported to blackwell

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back on the ground that the object

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looked metallic and was tremendous in

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size as meant L began to round the

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object to get a better look it was

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reported that he told Blackwell he'd

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seen people inside the OP

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but before any clear identification or

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clarification on this transmission could

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be made men-tel's communication when

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completely dead it is thought that

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around an altitude of 25,000 feet meant

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L had blacked out from a lack of oxygen

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and his plane began spiraling back

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towards the ground

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a witness later reported man tells

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Mustang and a circling descent his plane

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crashed at a farm south of Franklin

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Kentucky on the Tennessee Kentucky

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border state line firemen were later

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able to pull Mantle's body from the

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Mustangs wreckage his wristwatch had

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stopped at 3:18 p.m. the time of the

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crash meanwhile by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was

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no longer visible to observers at Godman

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field the Mantell incident was reported

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by newspapers around the nation and

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received significant news media

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attention with UFO reports coming in at

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an alarming rate it was clear that

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something had to be done

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these just weren't lights in the sky

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being observed for civilians in remote

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areas these were experienced aviators

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who witnessed objects that defied all

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known technology at the time and were

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threatening their aircraft in the most

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sensitive of ways and the Air Force was

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it going to let this go lately something

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had to be done and the American public

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needed to know that their skies were

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safe but were they truly if there was

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anything the Air Force was good at it

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was protecting our skies but as we'd

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soon learn they were also very good at

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keeping secrets they began to call in

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members of the military and the

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astronomical fields to investigate UFOs

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compiling a stunning amount of cases

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that had no simple or prosaic

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explanations and in 1948 project sign

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was born and with that would come the

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official investigation of UFOs by the

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United States Air Force and would

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ultimately become what we best know

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this project I'm here to discuss the

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so-called flying saucers the air force

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interest in this problem has been due to

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our feeling of an obligation to identify

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and analyze to the best of our ability

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anything in the air that may have the

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possibility of threat or menace to the

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United States in pursuit of this

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obligation since 1947 we have received

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and analyzed between one and two

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thousand reports that it come to us from

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all kinds of sources of this great mass

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of reports we have been able adequately

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to explain the great bulk of them

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explain them to our own satisfaction

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we've been able to explain them as

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hoaxes as erroneously identified

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friendly aircraft as meteorological or

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electronic phenomena or as light

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aberration however there have been a

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certain percentage of this volume of

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reports that have been made by credible

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observers of relatively incredible

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things it is this group of observations

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that we now are attempting to resolve

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our basic difficulty in dealing with

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these is that there is no measurement of

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them that makes it possible for us to

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put them in any pattern that would be

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profitable for a deliberate custom sort

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of analysis to take the next step we

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have as a date come to only one firm

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conclusion with respect to this

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remaining percentage and that is that it

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does not contain any pattern of purpose

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or of consistency that we can relate

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within it to any conceivable threat to

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the United States we can say that the

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recent sightings are in no way connected

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with any secret development by any

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agency of the United States Project Blue

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Book was officially terminated in 1969

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compiling over 12,000 600 UFO reports

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these reports were given to the content

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committee

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a group funded by the United States Air

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Force from 1966 to 1968 at the

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University of Colorado to study

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unidentified flying objects under the

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direction of physicist Edward Condon the

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result of its work formerly titled

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scientific study of unidentified flying

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objects concluded that no UFO reported

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investigated and evaluated by the US Air

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Force was ever an indication of threat

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to our national security there was no

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evidence submitted to or discovered by

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the Air Force that sightings categorized

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as unidentified represented

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technological developments or principles

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beyond the range of modern scientific

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knowledge and there was no evidence

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indicating that sightings categorized as

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unidentified or extraterrestrial

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vehicles and with that the United States

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Air Force in conjunction with the US

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government as a whole announced that

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UFOs would no longer officially be

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investigated by any military branch or

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governmental agency but as we know now

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that certainly wasn't true the Pentagon

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has been keeping track or trying to of

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the type of aircraft that don't take off

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and land from conventional airports

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we're talking about unidentified flying

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objects UFOs correspondent Garrett Tenny

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is here with more on this program could

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even care yeah Brett good evening to you

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we may not know if aliens exist but it

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turns out our government had a special

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team of UFO Hunters that was trying to

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find out the Pentagon now confirms the

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existence of a secret of UFO program

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tasked with investigating reports of

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unidentified flying objects the advanced

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aviation threat identification program

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was created in 2007 at the urging of n

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and

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over the next five years the program

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received more than twenty million

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dollars for its work which included

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analyzing a variety of aeronautics

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threats ranging from what could be our

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adversaries next-generation aircraft to

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reports from military pilots of

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encounters with unknown objects now the

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Pentagon tells us the program ended in

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2012 when officials determined there

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were other higher priority issues but

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the program's former director

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resigned in October says it was only the

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funding that ended in that over the last

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five years the program has continued

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investigating incidents alongside their

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new responsibilities up front now the

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former Pentagon military official who

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ran the covert government program up

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until this last November Luise Elizondo

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you know mr. Burnett I have to admit to

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you when when I ran this program I was

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fundamentally looking at my colleagues

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looking at two things yeah what is it

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and how does it work

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we have deliberately stayed away from

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going down the rabbit hole of who's

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behind the wheel and what are their

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intentions because that a lot of people

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have a lot of feelings towards that and

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and are very emotional about that and

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what I wanted to do is to allow the data

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to speak for itself and then use that

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data to inform leadership senior DoD

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leadership about the potential threat

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that that these type of technologies

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pose to national security

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especially over any type of controlled

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airspace that we might have look and I

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know you think it's important I know you

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think that the government didn't take

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the threat seriously enough so let me

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just ask you point-blank the question do

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you believe that that life from

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somewhere else while you ran this

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program came here visited it observed I

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will tell you unequivocally that that

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through the observation scientific

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methodologies that were applied to to

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look at this phenomena that these

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aircraft will call am aircraft are

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displaying characteristics that are not

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currently within the US inventory nor in

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any foreign inventory that that we are

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aware of so I know you're using your

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being clear but I mean the answer is yes

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my personal belief is that there is very

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compelling evidence that we we may not

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be alone so we now know that the

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government did indeed continue to

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investigate UFOs in secret and those

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involved believe the technology to

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certainly defy our own advancements and

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limits and now we stand at a precipice

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of whether or not we can even trust our

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government to tell us the truth about

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what they know and what they're doing

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when it comes to the UFO problem will we

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ever know the truth

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probably not but that hasn't stopped me

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from searching and it shouldn't stop you

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either because we all know that UFO

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disclosure happens

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one witness at a time and no matter what

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UFOs may or may not be we are the ones

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who discovered the truth on our own in

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our own ways and on our own timetable we

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will continue to keep our feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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somewhere in the skies somewhere in the

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skies is produced by Third Kind

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productions in association with the

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entertainment one podcast network to